{"id":11334,"date":"2019-09-05T00:52:58","date_gmt":"2019-09-04T22:52:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kontemplation.dk\/?p=11334"},"modified":"2024-02-19T10:31:40","modified_gmt":"2024-02-19T09:31:40","slug":"jes-bertelsen-i-samtale-med-ellen-hillingsoe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/jes-bertelsen-i-samtale-med-ellen-hillingsoe\/","title":{"rendered":"Jes Bertelsen in conversation with Ellen Hillings\u00f8"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>\u2018&#039;In the stream of meaninglessness, there are always blossoms of meaning, cohesion, love and creativity&#039;\u2019<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Meditation teacher and historian of ideas Jes Bertelsen talks to actress Ellen Hillings\u00f8 about outer and inner growth, about facing one&#039;s inner demons, and about unrest and hope in global crises. In a dialogue that develops into a dance.<\/p>\n<p>This conversation begins cautiously, almost hesitantly. Ellen Hillings\u00f8 and Jes Bertelsen must first feel for each other and the topic she brings up: the experience of meaninglessness in the consumer society and extreme individualism. Jes Bertelsen first answers cautiously and almost diplomatically, Ellen Hillings\u00f8 asks with clear respect for the capacity she has come to visit.<\/p>\n<p>But then the conversation picks up speed. Bertelsen describes how, for him, there is not necessarily a contradiction between inner and outer growth, how he believes that there is a possible balance between moving inward and outward. Hillings\u00f8 becomes increasingly direct and personal, talking about how she tries to face her own inner demons, her anger and her abandonment. And her joy in her children, in the creativity of her profession, in deep human contacts. Gradually, the conversation becomes warmer, faster and at the same time deeper and more personal. To gradually become a kind of dance, a sometimes almost passionate pas de deux between two people from different backgrounds who meet in worry, unrest, reassurance and flashes of enthusiasm.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Listen to the interview here (first the weather forecast is heard, then the conversation comes):<\/strong><\/p>\n<div id=\"buzzsprout-player-14529410\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<p><script src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/2018767\/14529410-blogcast-jes-bertelsen-i-samtale-med-ellen-hillingso-af-redaktionen.js?container_id=buzzsprout-player-14529410&#038;player=small\" type=\"text\/javascript\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script> <\/p>\n<p>The interview was published as part of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.24syv.dk\/programmer\/mikrofonholder\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Microphone holder series<\/a> on Radio24seven.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u2018&#039;In the flow of meaninglessness, there are constantly blossomings of meaning, cohesion, love and creativity&#039; Meditation teacher and historian of ideas Jes Bertelsen talks to actress Ellen Hillings\u00f8 about outer and inner growth,\u2026<\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6612,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":[230],"meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[61],"tags":[],"person":[356],"class_list":["post-11334","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-krop","person-kontemplation","format-lydfil"],"subtitle":"","embedded_audio":"","hasaudio":"1","hide_featured_image_on_post":"0","nobio":"1","infobox":"","quote":"","year_published":"2019","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11334","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11334"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11334\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29415,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11334\/revisions\/29415"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6612"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11334"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11334"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11334"},{"taxonomy":"person","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/person?post=11334"},{"taxonomy":"format","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.kontemplation.dk\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/format?post=11334"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}